“Pros on PROs”

    • October 10, 2023
    1024 536 The California Copyright Conference

    Date(s) -


    2:30 pm - 4:00 pm


    “Pros on PROs”

    Come learn all about the PROs (Performing Rights Organizations) from the Pros themselves!  The PROs are critical to composers and writers. We’ll have an opportunity to ask them directly why they matter and what they do for writers when it comes to collections, synch and more. We’ll hear about the differences in the different PROs and discuss the changes happening at the PROs.



    Debra Delshad | Senior Director, Synchronization and Music Licensing, Angry Mob Music

    Paula Savastano | Senior Director, Royalties, Seeker Music Group



    Alex Grout | Senior Vice President, Membership and Business & Legal Affairs, ASCAP

    Sam Jacobs | Senior Director, Business &Legal Affairs, Global Music Rights

    Sam Kling | Chief Creative Officer, SESAC

    Rafael Martinez | Vice President of Strategy & Business Affairs, Creative, BMI


    Tuesday, October 10, 2023

    2:30pm – 4:00pm PDT | Zoom Webinar Broadcast


    Advance Reservation:
    CCC Members $0 per person | Non-members $5 per person


    Registration deadline is Tuesday, October 10, 2023, at 1:30pm PDT


    – No refunds –

    Stick around for the “after hour, happy hour” chat following the webinar!
    Catch up and network with the CCC community from the
    comfort of your own couch


    Questions? Email is at questions@theccc.org


    Debra Delshad | Senior Director, Synchronization and Music Licensing, Angry Mob Music

    Debra Delshad is Senior Director for Synchronization and Music Licensing at Angry Mob Music where she places music in television, films, streaming services, commercials and video games. She interacts with A&R, music supervisors, ad agencies, publishers, and labels, oversees all licensing and negotiations, and advises the creative and acquisition departments on possible deals. Debra has worked in the music industry for 20 years, including at EMI Music Publishing, Anthem Entertainment and for DreamWorks Music Publishing. She is a frequent speaker at music industry events including the Billboard Music Conference, the Nashville Film Festival, ASCAP Expo, BMI, Musicians Institute, AIMP, Los Angeles College Of Music, and Women in Music. Debra earned a bachelor’s degree at the University of Southern California and a law degree from Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. Variety recently featured Debra’s work in connection with the soundtrack for the hit Netflix series “Bridgerton.” When she’s not working, Debra enjoys taking photographs, traveling, hanging out with her two children, Jonah and Skyler.

    Paula Savastano | Senior Director, Royalties, Seeker Music Group

    Paula M. Savastano began working as Sr. Director of Royalties at Seeker Music Group in October of 2023.  Prior to starting at Seeker Music Group, she worked as the Sr. Director of Copyright and Royalties at Angry Mob Music beginning in 2018.  Paula previously worked for various publishing entities including Spirit Music. Group, Ryko Music Group, Cherry Lane Music Group, and ran her own publishing company, SSA Music. She got her start in the industry working in the Writer/Publisher Relations department at Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI) in New York City.

    Paula is an active speaker at industry events all over the country, including The California Copyright Conference (The CCC), South by Southwest, Sync Summit, Artist Maxx, Dewey Beach Music Conference, Elm City Music Conference, Launch Music Conference, Liberty Music Conference, MEIEA Conference, Millennium Music Conference, and Singer/Songwriter of Cape May Conference.  She also speaks for music business programs at colleges around the country including Berklee College of Music, Drexel University, Harrisburg Area Community College, Lebanon Valley College, State University of New York at Fredonia, University of California, Los Angeles, University of Miami, and William Paterson University.  She enjoys mentoring students and up and coming industry professionals and has participated in the mentoring program for the Association of Independent Music Publishers (AIMP). She sits on the board of Directors as the Treasurer for The California Copyright Conference, and as Vice-President of the Long Beach Alumnae Chapter of Sigma Alpha Iota (a professional music fraternity). She is also active in The Association of Independent Music Publishers (AIMP), Women In Music, and Songwriters of North America (SONA) where she is a member of the Education Committee.

    Paula received her Master of Music in Music Business and Entertainment Industry from the University of Miami, and her Bachelor of Music in Flute Performance from Boston Conservatory of Music. She is an accomplished flautist and continues to perform freelance around the Los Angeles Area and in several performance ensembles.

    Alex Grout | Senior Vice President, Membership and Business & Legal Affairs, ASCAP

    Alex is Senior Vice President of Membership and Business & Legal Affairs at ASCAP providing strategic and legal guidance supporting the organization’s membership and licensing objectives. In his current role, he is ASCAP’s lead negotiator with members regarding affiliation and distribution issues, and also advises Executive Management on complex issues dealing with licensing, resignation, copyright, and other high-profile litigation and transactional issues. Alex also counsels internal stakeholders all day-to-day strategic issues relating to performance rights and music publishing. He has lectured at numerous engagements with major law firms, publishing companies, universities, and Grammy events.

    Alex is a graduate of the State University of New York at Oneonta (B.A., magna cum laude) and of William & Mary Law School (J.D., cum laude) where he was also the Senior Articles Editor of the Business Law Review. Beyond his professional work, Alex is an experienced performer as a bass guitarist, an avid marathoner, and father of three.

    Sam Jacobs | Senior Director, Business &Legal Affairs, Global Music Rights

    Sam is an attorney and has worked in GMR’s legal department for nearly 5 years. Sam negotiates new client signings and client renewals, manages litigation, and oversees radio licensing. Prior to joining GMR, Sam was a litigation associate at Quinn Emanuel and Irell & Manella, where he focused on intellectual property and entertainment matters.

    Sam Kling | Chief Creative Officer, SESAC

    Sam Kling serves as Chief Creative Officer for SESAC Performing Rights, where he oversees the company’s growth strategies for artists affiliations, music publishers and new business opportunities within the creative community. Kling also manages the Creative Services team in London, New York, Nashville, and Los Angeles, where he resides.

    Since joining SESAC in 2014, Kling has installed an innovative client services structure as well as elevated the company’s affiliate roster by collaborating with some of the industry’s most significant artists, music publishers and managers. He has led the department’s strategic effort to secure songwriters and composer affiliations such as Bob Dylan, Adele, Neil Diamond, Green Day, Zac Brown Band, Randy Newman, Kings of Leon, Robin Thicke, Rosanne Cash, and many more. Kling also spearheaded the partnership signing of publishing company Universal Publishing Production Music.

    Kling has also took on the responsibility of bridging the gap between Mint Digital Services, (a joint venture between SESAC Holdings and the Swiss collection society, SUISA) and U.S.-based music publishers to ensure a smooth rollout within the U.S.

    Prior to SESAC, Kling served as Vice President at peermusic, where he oversaw the independent music company’s US Pop A&R as well as Film & Television creative operations.  Preceding peer, Kling served as Vice President of Film & Television for BMG Music Publishing where he managed their U.S. synchronization operations.

    Rafael Martinez | Vice President of Strategy & Business Affairs, Creative, BMI

    As Vice President of Strategy and Business Affairs, Creative, Rafael Martinez is responsible for developing and executing new business strategies and processes around BMI’s relationships with its affiliates, as well as helping build the company’s global market share across all genres.

    Martinez originally joined BMI in 2014 as a Director of Business Affairs and was promoted to Assistant Vice President, Business Affairs and Creative in 2019, where he handled drafting and negotiating deals for writers, publishers, music libraries, estates, heirs, trusts and other successors of deceased affiliates. He was promoted to his current position in 2022. During his tenure at BMI, Martinez has been influential in affiliating and retaining top songwriters across multiple genres, notably J Balvin, Juice WRLD, Kendrick Lamar, Marshmello, Megan Thee Stallion, Lil Nas X, Pop Smoke, Rosalia and Sam Smith, among others.

    Before joining BMI, Martinez worked at Sony Music Entertainment in Business and Legal Affairs. While at Sony, he negotiated and drafted a multitude of deals pertaining to content licensing, production, recording, termination, sponsorship and other initiatives. Martinez also provided legal counsel to senior and junior staff members in the A&R, copyright, royalties, finance, and film/television licensing departments.

    Martinez received a Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) from New York University and his Juris Doctorate (J.D.) from Cardozo School of Law. Currently, he is a member of the Association of Independent Music Publishers (AIMP).

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