Date/Time
Date(s) -
04/14/2026
2:30 pm - 3:45 pm
Location
Zoom
“Future Outlook of Music Publishing: Is The Pie Growing?”
Music publishing has constantly been challenged by pivotal periods of change. As streaming and licensing have continued to mature and new platforms emerge, the industry is seeing evolving revenue streams from performance, mechanicals, sync, and digital uses. But a core question remains: is the overall economic pie for music publishing actually growing?
This panel will examine whether and how publishing revenues are expanding in meaningful ways—and whether that growth is translating into higher valuations for songs and catalogs. Panelists will explore the impact of global streaming growth, investor demand for music rights, and the surge of catalog acquisitions over the past decade. The discussion will also consider whether recent valuation multiples are sustainable in the years ahead.
Moderator:
Jack Mangikyan | Customer Support Specialist, Rytebox/SR1
Guest Speakers:
Patrick Curley | President & CEO, Third Side Music, Inc.
Michael Eames | President, PEN Music Group, Inc. / Chair, The MLC Unclaimed Royalties Oversight Committee
Kate Ludewig | Manager, Publishing Administration, Riptide Music Group
Patrick Smith | Vice President, Business Development and Creative Strategy, peermusic
Tuesday, April 14, 2026
2:30pm – 3:45pm PDT | Zoom Webinar Broadcast
Advance Reservation:
CCC Members $0 per person | Non-members $5 per person
Registration deadline is Tuesday, April 14th at 1:30pm PDT
– No refunds –
Although we will not be having a happy hour chat this month, we are in the middle of nomination season for our upcoming 2026-2027 CCC Board elections. We will be taking nominations from the floor at the end of the webinar. You must be a current member in good standing to be nominated. You will need to be nominated by two current members who are also in good standing. If you can’t make it to the webinar, we are also taking nominations via email sent to president@theccc.org with manager@theccc.org on copy.
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Biographies
Jack Mangikyan | Customer Support Specialist, Rytebox/SR1
Jack Mangikyan is a royalty accountant born and raised in Los Angeles, CA. He specializes in both record label and music publishing administration and currently works at Rytebox/SR1, where he oversees royalty processing and provides client support. His previous roles at Royalty Review Council and NKSFB involved royalty statement creation, contract analysis, and audit preparation—experience that makes him adaptable and effective across a variety of industry needs.
Jack is known for combining technical accuracy with creative thinking. He’s passionate about supporting local artists and promoting transparency across the music industry. He is especially committed to the well-being of future songwriters, artists, and professionals, and believes education plays a vital role in empowering creators and building a more sustainable future for the industry.
Jack is an active member of both the California Copyright Conference and the Association of Independent Music Publishers. He is also a graduate of the USC Thornton School of Music, where he earned his degree in Music Business in 2022. Outside of work, he enjoys attending local songwriter showcases, snowboarding, cooking, and traveling.
Patrick Curley | President & CEO, Third Side Music, Inc.
Patrick Curley is an entertainment lawyer and a co-founder and CEO of Third Side Music, a 100% independently owned music publishing company based in Los Angeles & Montreal with worldwide reach.
Third Side Music represents over 70,000 titles by a wide variety of writers and composers. We were founded in 2005 and are staffed by a large team of hard-working music industry veterans, musicians, and copyright data obsessives. Third Side Music is a transparent and equitable destination for career musicians. A company founded on a deep and solid DIY attitude that treats artists as partners and not as commodities. We have no third-party equity partners. We are financially beholden to no one except the songwriters we love to work with.
Patrick Curley has twenty-five years’ experience handling legal and business affairs at a high level in the music industry. As a music publisher he is a former member of the Board of Directors of SOCAN (2014-24) and former Chair of SOCAN’s Reproduction Rights Committee. He is a current member of the Mechanical Licensing Collective’s Unclaimed Royalties Oversight Committee, as well as a member of the National Music Publisher Association’s Independent Publisher Advisory Committee.
Michael Eames | President, PEN Music Group, Inc. / Chair, The MLC Unclaimed Royalties Oversight Committee
Michael Eames is a trained composer, songwriter, and pianist who majored in music at Cornell University and completed the Certificate Program in Film Scoring at UCLA Extension; he also secured a minor in Business Management from Cornell.
As president of PEN Music Group, Inc. (celebrating its 30th anniversary this year), Michael oversees all aspects of the operation as well as focuses on pitching the catalogue to all media and business development. He was chosen to serve (along with 4 other independent music publishers and 5 songwriters) on the Unclaimed Royalties Oversight Committee (UROC) of The Mechanical Licensing Collective (MLC) that commenced blanket mechanical licensing of the digital services in the U.S. on January 1, 2021 and currently serves as the UROC Chair. He also proudly serves on the Independent Publishers Advisory Council (IPAC) of the National Music Publishers Association (NMPA) and on the Advisory Board of Songwriters Of North America (SONA). He also previously served as the National President of the Association Of Independent Music Publishers (AIMP) from 2015-2018 and served as its National Vice President from 2013-2014.
Immediately prior to starting PEN, Michael oversaw the international and film & TV departments of Don Williams Music Group where he was responsible for song catalogues such as Jimi Hendrix, Chicago, and Roy Orbison among numerous others. He also worked previously for Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys and the management and music supervision firms The Derek Power Co and Seth Kaplan Entertainment.
Michael wrote the music publishing section of the Hal Leonard/Rowman & Littlefield-published book entitled Five Star Music Makeover: The Independent Artist’s Guide for Singers, Songwriters, Bands, Producers and Self Publishers (2016) and is co-author (with Bobby Borg) of the book Introduction To Music Publishing For Musicians whose 2nd Edition was published by Rowman & Littlefield in January 2025 and is already used in many curriculums around the U.S. He was accepted into Leadership Music’s Class of 2025 and is a frequent guest speaker in both real and virtual classrooms, festivals and panel discussions worldwide.
Kate Ludewig | Manager, Publishing Administration, Riptide Music Group
With a deep passion for music and a relentless drive to ensure artists are fairly compensated, Kate has built a career at the intersection of publishing administration, licensing, and music rights management. She specializes in worldwide registration, contract analysis, royalty processing, and client relations, ensuring that Riptide’s catalog is meticulously managed and its artists receive the payments they deserve.
Kate’s expertise extends into licensing, where she has navigated complex negotiations and clearances across publishing and recording sync, mechanical, print, arrangement, and grand rights. With experience on both the publisher/label and studio sides, she brings a comprehensive understanding of how to structure deals that benefit all parties. She also has a strong background in YouTube’s Content ID system and digital rights management, helping to maximize revenue streams in today’s evolving music landscape.
Beyond her day-to-day role, Kate has been instrumental in optimizing internal workflows, leveraging her experience with database systems to streamline administrative processes and handle high-volume workloads more efficiently. Her commitment to efficiency ensures that Riptide’s publishing operations stay ahead of the curve.
A lifelong music fan, Kate has been playing music since childhood and has attended thousands of shows across the country, always championing indie and underground artists. Her mission is clear: to support musicians and songwriters in building sustainable careers while making the business side of music more transparent and equitable.
Looking ahead, Kate is eager to expand her skills in project management, software development, and high-level business operations. With a background in coding and an early knack for technology, she sees potential in bridging the gap between music administration and tech-driven solutions. As she continues to grow, her focus remains on empowering artists and refining the systems that keep the industry moving forward.
Patrick Smith | Vice President, Business Development and Creative Strategy, peermusic
Patrick Smith is peermusic’s Vice President, Business Development and Creative Strategy with almost two decades of experience working for independent music publishers. Patrick serves as an operational hub for peermusic’s US creative, legal, licensing and administration departments with direct reports to peermusic’s President and Chief Counsel. His range of duties include supervising the licensing and clearance team for synchronization uses, assessing opportunities to license peermusic’s catalog, creating financial analyses and deal terms for all US-based publishing agreements, and optimizing workflows between departments.
Patrick truly enjoys the contradictions and complexities of music publishing in the US and internationally. He has a successful record creating practical solutions to address the challenges that come with changes in technology and media. Combined with a deep passion for protecting the rights of songwriters, he is a trusted resource at peermusic. When he is not thinking about music publishing, he is probably still thinking about music. He plays synthesizers as a hobby, enjoys hearing new sounds, and his favorite artists at the time of this writing are Kraftwerk and Tele Novella.
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